to pakistan, libya and egypt. it only got ten votes, but now that's spread all around the far right, uh-oh, they should have voted to cut off that aid. and so we are seeing that emerge in our party and in our or nation, and a lot of people say why should we be spending money on these foreign adventures and foreign assistance when we have so much trouble at home? and that debate will rage now between now and the next elections and, particularly, the next presidential elections. >> minister mackay, your nation has been such a loyal ally to the united states, following us into afghanistan. your country was involved to a lesser extent, certainly, in iraq. but considering the outcome in these two places, how would you say your nation's point of view has changed, if it has, on the responsibilities of we democracies to take actions like that? >> well, i'll come directly to that, but i want to play off something that senator mccain said. that in considering interventions, military contributions, foreign aid, there's no question that the very stormy economic situation that we've all come through
